Jante Law SUCKS!!!!!!!!

by Taila McNeal-Krøyer
(Frederikshavn, Denmark)

I am a 39-year-old American who is married to a 48-year-old Dane. I have lived in Denmark for nearly three years now. Every culture is unique, and every culture has its positives and negatives. But the one problem I have noticed that is very unique to Scandinavia is that Scandinavians have problems admitting they have problems.

Collectivism is fine when it is applied to essential things connected to a functioning society (health care, equality at the work place, social safety net). But there is also a very deep-rooted belief that even though Scandinavians believe that equality is essential for a harmonious existence, individuality and failure are frowned upon, and they're not afraid to show it.

I wouldn't expect a foreigner, particularly if they came from the Anglo-sphere, to understand the depth of this hostility until they've lived here for some time. I definitely would not expect a foreigner, especially if they are non-western, to fully understand or appreciate the level of hostility Danes/Scandinavians feels towards outsiders. Danes in particular like to say that nobody's special, but inherently believe that they themselves ARE special.

I don't feel ANY sympathy for Danes who feel that Muslims are unreasonably hostile towards Danish society. I am am African-American, grew up entirely in a western culture, and even I can see that Danes have a lot of unspoken problems. The reason they're problems is mainly because they're unspoken. In an egalitarian society, things like racism, sexism, and class-ism are supposed to be kept to a minimum. But believe me, they're definitely not in practice. Both in Denmark and in the USA, my husband and I would be considered "poor", and the treatment of the poor is no different here than over there.

My mother grew up in the Jim Crow South, and America does have a history of virulent racism. But I never experienced REAL racism until I moved here!!!

And as a feminist, I think that the Scandinavian version of it has set the movement back at least 50 years. It is not a surprise that you would see violent reactionaries such as an Anders Breivik in Norway. The only thing that surprised me about that episode was that it didn't happen in Denmark first.

We're going to take the advice given on this posting, and move to a place where we feel more at home. It's likely going to be either my own home (the USA), Canada, or any of the English-speaking countries on the planet. When even people like my Danish-born and raised husband feel like they don't belong in the society, then that should be a wake-up call. But everyone is still asleep; what harm can be done when your eyes are closed?



Talia,

Sounds like you have a lot of hostility towards the citizens of Denmark and I can understand where you get your ideas from. What I do not understand is that you do not try to work with the Danes, talk with them about the Jante Law, about being different and standing up for your beliefs. I personally work alot in schools and talk with both teachers and students about the Jante Law, about what is wrong and right with Denmark and find that they are open to new ideas and agree with many of my points (not all, but many) and they too are working to become more like other countries. Just look at the fact that English is now becoming a mandatory language in all schools. Denmark is starting to realize that they are an international country and have to work with countries outside of just Scandinavia if they wish to survive. Students are starting to understand that they are competing with people who do feel that they are special or better and had better start trying to compete if they want to land the good jobs and stable careers.

Denmark is going through a transitional stage now and things will change. Being angry, ranting and just giving up is what many expats do and that is their choice, but it is just giving in to system.

I promise, you will find problems back in the states (my home too), Canada (have many friends there who are also ranting about their own set of problems) and any other country. It is not always greener on the other side of the fence. You are only going to being exchanging one set of problems for another.

Whatever you decide, do not believe that the color of your skin, your race or financial status is the cause of your problems. You can change perceptions by the way you look at your situation. The reason is something else, I do not know your situation well enough to say what it is, but I have been where you are. Broke, discriminated against and facing large obstacles, yet I never lost site of my goal and feel that I have created a somewhat good life for myself in Denmark and will continue to work towards improving it. Here and not back in the US, where most of my friends are struggling for jobs, can barely pay their bills and have a lot more problems than me.

Whatever you decide, best wishes to a better future.

Charlie

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Feb 11, 2024
Don't whine
by: Dan

Taila McNeal-Krøyer,

stop your whining. Try to do something about it - whatever it is you seems offended of. Perhaps it is something in your own way of dealing with things. Have you tried to visit other towns in Denmark? Have you been to other Scandinavian countries? In Europe?
Perhaps you would be equally personally offended, as you seems to be.

Some people cannot adapt to new habits and cultures. Perhaps you would do yourself a favour to reconsider where you live. But keep in mind that the place you find, you should try to get the most out of it - and be aware that people could actually be a bit different in their behaviors depending on the actual location within that country. E.g. west coast is different than the Bible belt in North America. Get the point?


Jan 23, 2024
I agree with Talia
by: Disillusioned

I have been in Denmark on an off for nearly a year,and I have to say I have never experienced such blatant xenophobia such as I have in the last year. Granted, I am white and educated (although lacking a Master's Degree) so I am used to a certain level of acceptance in my global travels.

My husband is a Dane who lived in the US for nearly 15 years. He is quite "Americanized" and his friend circle includes an eclectic array of personalities. So for the first several visits here, I didn't experience anything but wonderful-ness, regarding Denmark. I raved about this place to my friends and family.

That has changed. Since I moved here, and have become more and more acclimated to our town and area, I am completely disillusioned. I have been denied service at grocery stores (YES!),because I don't (yet) speak Danish. The cashier just shook her head at me and pointed to the service desk. All I wanted to do was redeem my recycling voucher!!

Since I am still officially a tourist, I am unable to even cash an international money order (Christmas gift from my father back in the states)because the bank (on which the order is drawn) required my CPR # (which, of course, I do not yet have). They would not even allow me to sign it over to my husband so he could deposit it into his account. I had to call my embassy, then go to Copenhagen, to the main branch of the bank, and talk to their international service before I was able to get any assistance.

Those are two bigger instances of outright discrimination, but the small, diaily deaths of my love for Denmark are what is really painful.

The cold and gray weather is disheartening, but less so than the cold and gray manner of most Danes. If someone smiles at me and says, "Hej" in response to mine, I am surprised. If I get it first, I am shocked.

I have heard that most Danes speak English, but that is just not true. Most Danes can say "hello" and "my English is not so good"... just about what I can manage in Danish. Once you venture outside the greater Copenhagen area, if the average person can communucate in English it is a bonus. Most of the time I am reduced to pointing and nodding or shaking my head.

My husband is disabled, so we experience a fair share of discrimination toward him, as well. His medical team told us outright that in the cost/benefit analysis, he was not worth treating. Seriously. He is denied treatment based on the fact that in Denmark, they don't consider that his quality of life as a disabled person would be worth the cost of treating him.

Finally, Immigration. There has been a lot of news lately, and I am yet another woman caught in web of mis-information and deliberate misdirection regarding my family reunification. I am fighting for some form of residency soley to be with my husband, who is too ill to travel to the states. If we had that option, we'd be out of here faster than a New York minute.

Dec 24, 2023
DK OK
by: Paul

sorry to hear you feel that way.I am an American living here and have not felt anything like what you are describing. I am not black though so I cannot speak from your perspective.I love Denmark and have no plans on returning to the violent US.My wife and I have blue collar jobs here and we could not be happier. I do not have any close Danish friends but I have not sought them out either. Everyone i know who is Danish seem nice to me. i guess there are screwed up people everywhere. I choose not to associate with them.

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